CAP COMMANDER SACKED
(http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/970-full.html#196279)
The Board of Governors of the Civil Air Patrol has stripped the
organization's suspended commander, Maj. Gen. Tony Pineda, of his
rank, position and membership after investigating allegations that a
member of CAP's Florida unit took U.S. Air Force Command and Staff
College tests on Pineda's behalf in 2002 and 2003. Pineda was
suspended in early August after the allegations came to light and the
board of governors decided to formally investigate them. "This action
was taken after careful review of the facts and circumstances and
after numerous discussions of the report of the investigation against
Gen. Pineda," Maj. Gen. Richard Bowling, chairman of the board of
governors, said in a news release. Brig. Gen. Amy Courter, CAP's
deputy commander, assumed command during Pineda's suspension and will
continue in that role until August of 2008 when the board of governors
will convene to elect a new commander. Courter can run.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/970-full.html#196279

On Oct 4, 4:54 am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
> CAP COMMANDER SACKED
> (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/970-full.html#196279)
> The Board of Governors of the Civil Air Patrol has stripped the

I guess it shows how well run CAP is that there were no disruptions to
any missions as a result of this.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

>> CAP COMMANDER SACKED

>
> I guess it shows how well run CAP is that there were no disruptions to
> any missions as a result of this.

Or how superfluous the top brass is.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> On Oct 4, 4:54 am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
>> CAP COMMANDER SACKED
>> (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/970-full.html#196279)
>> The Board of Governors of the Civil Air Patrol has stripped the
>
> I guess it shows how well run CAP is that there were no disruptions to
> any missions as a result of this.

Who knows what organizational weaknesses might have developed, though.

"Maj. Gen. Tony Pineda, of his rank, position and membership after
investigating allegations that a member of CAP's Florida unit took U.S. Air
Force Command and Staff College tests on Pineda's behalf in 2002 and 2003.
Pineda was suspended in early August after the allegations came to light and
the board of governors decided to formally investigate them." - AVWeb

"We will not lie, steal or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does." -
U.S. Air Force Academy Honor Code

On Oct 4, 2:15 pm, "Gatt" > wrote:
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in glegroups.com...

> "We will not lie, steal or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does." -
> U.S. Air Force Academy Honor Code

Apparently, as evidenced by the fact that he was relieved of command.

-Robert

I thought Pineda was a retired Florida Cop not USAF. Am I wrong?

On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:15:10 -0700, "Gatt" > wrote:


>"We will not lie, steal or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does." -
>U.S. Air Force Academy Honor Code

GeorgeC

On Oct 4, 3:33 pm, GeorgeC > wrote:
> I thought Pineda was a retired Florida Cop not USAF. Am I wrong?

Both. He was a member of the USAF Auxillary most recently.

-Robert

> > "We will not lie, steal or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does." -
> > U.S. Air Force Academy Honor Code
>
> Apparently, as evidenced by the fact that he was relieved of command.
>

And it took 5 years for him to be sacked? Someone at CAP must have
known this, either tolerated it or being silenced.

Organizations that are self righteous often produces some of the worst
corruption. That's true for both the left and the right.

In article om>,
M > wrote:
>
>> > "We will not lie, steal or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does." -
>> > U.S. Air Force Academy Honor Code
>>
>> Apparently, as evidenced by the fact that he was relieved of command.
>
>And it took 5 years for him to be sacked? Someone at CAP must have
>known this, either tolerated it or being silenced.

I used to run CAP-Talk, an unofficial CAP mailing list. I haven't
run it since 2002, and the commander who was just sacked was in
charge of Florida (IIRC) back then, and people where complaining
frequently about his corruption/etc. Granted, the folks on CAP-Talk
had an axe to grind, but there seemed to be enough there to warrant
an investigation. Instead, CAP National HQ promoted him. CAP
National HQ has a history of incompetence at best, with frequent
rumors of more serious issues.

The incompetent leadership at many levels was one of the reasons
I left CAP.

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

I've been quietly watching this thread, but after your comments John I feel
the need to add some data points of which you may not be aware.

Your statement that "CAP National HQ has a history of incompetence at
best,..." is typical of the sensationalism we see bandied about by the
mainstream news media way too frequently. I've been associated with CAP
since February 1969 and have known one national commander and a national
vice-commander personally. I can not agree with your statement. BG Johnnie
Boyd was an outstanding National Commander who tolerated no incompetence and
demanded integrity from all who served with him. Col. George Way who served
as vice-commander and I didn't always see eye-to-eye, but George tolerated
little outside what was good for the organization. George and Johnnie both
felt they should lead by example.

I was never interested in working in a staff position above Wing and
actually never aspired to anything other than to fly, so I don't have
extensive or uninterrupted knowledge of the national staff. I do however
believe that your statement about a "history of incompetence at best..." is
blatantly untrue and attempts to paint the organization as a whole in
unfavorable light.

Johnnie came up through the ranks in Oklahoma and joined CAP while an
enlisted Air Force mechanic working on the KC-135s at Tinker. George came up
through the ranks in Grand Prairie, Texas. Neither aspired to be in a
leadership position until later in their CAP careers.

Some will probably take issue with my referring to these two men as Johnnie
and George. Both men were fine individuals who preferred to be known as men
of integrity than by any title you might bestow on them.

Personally there are lots of things that irritate me about CAP, but then
that goes with almost anything any more. The older I get the less I seem to
tolerate fools - there just isn't enough time left and fools seem to have a
way of making themselves seen and heard.

I'm willing to bet the constant irritations were what finally drove you from
CAP and I completely understand. I'm going through that dilemma myself right
now with some of the new flight rules being put into place by the legal
staff, but I keep remembering how much good CAP has done over the years, and
how much good it can still do so that's the dilemma. If the national
leadership had such a "history of incompetence..." the organization would've
crumbled years ago. The true mark of an organization is not if it ever has
bad leadership, rather the measure is how the organization deals with bad
leadership. It may have taken too long (in both of our opinions) for CAP to
do something about Pineada, but they finally did - and don't you know it
was/is more painful now than it would've been back in Florida? Maybe this
can be a learning experience for everyone involved.

--
Jim Carter
Rogers, Arkansas